Help me understand Hillary Clinton hatred

I did not live in America during the Clinton years and so I feel I am missing some essential piece of the Hillary hatred puzzle. Help this poor Brit understand. In a Gallup poll in January, 51 percent of respondents said they would definitely not vote for Hillary Clinton.

“Definitely not.” Wow. That’s some hatred. But what’s at the root of it? Here are some of the random associations I make regarding Mrs. Clinton:

Strong, independent woman.
Liberal.
Tried to reform America’s healthcare system.
Stood by her man.
Ambitious.
Some whiff of a scandal (never proven) about some investment in some corporation.

Is it the scandal? Is it simply her liberalism? Is it Bill? Is it because people cannot abide an ambitious woman?

Americans, explain your (or your compatriots’) Hillary hatred.

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10 thoughts on “Help me understand Hillary Clinton hatred

  1. I got nothin’. Certainly, 8 years of pot-shots from the AM Talk radio crowd didn’t help. By then of those two terms, she’d been (mis)characterized as Satan’s wife on earth.It’s hard to shake that kind of indotrination.

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  2. Yeah, I can help. Certainly she’s been demonized by her enemies on the right. But equally certainly, their criticisms are not without some foundation.There is something more than a little alarming when the wife of a presidential candidate announces that she is part of a “two-for-one deal” (she did this in 1992) and then begins to behave, once her husband is elected with 40% of the vote, as if she were elected to anything at all. Not only does she assume a kind of quasi-elected air about her, but she uses it to push one of the most unpopular and badly conceived reforms of all time, the infamous health care bust of 1994.So that’s one. She decided to act like she had authority when she clearly had none.The woman is as calculating as all hell. She’s posed and positioned in ways that would make most Playboy bunnies blush. She’s been the rabid feminist, the supportive wife, the New Yorker, the Arkansan, the foreign policy hawk, the foreign policy dove, AND the author of an insipid book called “it takes a village” that was ruthlessly and hilariously panned by Martin Amis in the TLS.

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  3. Well, perhaps. But it’s clear now that she was ahead of her time when it comes to health care. If there’s one thing that’s going to cripple the US economy, it’s that no one can afford health care– including major corporations. And as long as GM pays 3x more than Japan on such expenses per worker, we’re going to get killed when it comes to blue-collar factory jobs.I have no idea what HC’s plan for health care was (I was in college and paid attention to other things), though it seems clear that there were problems. But we need something, and as long as the present anti-government/big-business crowd are in power, things won’t get solved.I worry that the HC reinventing herself thing is in part a media distortion. I recall reading some broader examinations of her and got the sense that she was more constant than she’s portrayed. I’ll have to do some digging to find the article(s), though.I still don’t understand it, though. Certainly Bill Frist is far worse than HC ever would be, and yet his numbers (in terms of sheer hatred) must be better.(And all of this is to say nothing about a certain Andover/Yale/Harvard/New England guy who claims to be all Texan. Marketing is part of politics!)

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  4. I don’t know, Stuart. You describe sentiment accurately. But that kind of criticism is unfair. It’s propaganda. Under the United States Constitution, the president can appoint his staff at his pleasure. Clearly, Hillary enjoyed presidential authority.While Bill Clinton was within his constitutional right to appoint Hillary as head of the health care task force, I think that it was a bad choice. For one thing, working under a person that personally close to the President discourages dissent. It is a factor that tends to induce groupthink. There were similar problems when JFK and Robert Kennedy worked in the same administration.The most damaging moment for Hillary was actually during the first campaign when Hillary replied to a question about conflicts of interest between her lawyer career and her husband’s role as a governor with something like: “And what should I have done? Stay home and bake cookies?”In that moment, Hillary had insulted every stay at home mom in the United States. It was the defining moment of her career in national politics. The image which she projected will be exploited by the conservative talk machine forever.

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  5. Presidential appointment doesn’t quite address the issue. DURING the campaign (before any appointment) Hillary expressed an expectation of some quasi-presidential authority by virtue of being married to an elected official.After she’s made that kind of statement, the fact that her husband appoints her to a position in his cabinet doesn’t really legitimize it for much of the public–it just makes it look like some cozy family politics that were worked out in advance.

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  6. Well, she headed the health care task force, which was not a cabinet position. Cabinet positions require Senate confirmation. The issue is not nepotism. The issue is the defintion of family and gender roles. George W. Bush held an advisor position in the White House as well. Kennedy had his brother in the cabinet and Shriver, the president’s brother in law, held a number of appointments as well. It’s about gender. If conservatives were concerned about nepotism then their wrath would have been directed at the Bush family who are the master cronies. But since most of their cronies are guys, it’s not a priority.

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  7. Still tainted by Whitewater allegations?I think conservative anger towards her mostly arises from a perception that she is somehow attacking traditional gender roles. At the same time, I think a lot of this is aggravated by her arrogant and combatitive demeanor. If she had more of slick Willy’s charm, she would face much less opposition.

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  8. pretty sure its less politics than you would hope.. they probably just dont like her “as a person”… just because she is a strong independant woman and a liberal doesnt mean people shouldnt hate her… good try..i dont see why anyone has to explain their hatred at all.. if they ahte her they do.. perhaps she has rubbed them the wrong way?

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  9. Anon, as the vast majority of people who express hatred of her have never met her, I will go out on a limb and say that you are probably wrong.

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  10. Hillary Clinton is out for herself. Bill Clinton has a real love for people, a real desire to help people. Sure Bill wanted to advance himself et cetera. But Robert Reich had an anecdote that he got sick on the boat going to England for the Rhodes scholarship and Bill was bringing him chicken soup every night. Robert Reich at first was asking, “Is this guy for real?” And he concluded that he was for real.When Hillary Clinton stood by her man, I suspect she did it because she calculated that it would be optimal for her public image. When the infidelity surfaced, I think the deal Bill and Hillary made was that she would stand by him and in return he would do everything he possibly could to get her elected to the Senate and then the Presidency! It’s more a deal than a marriage at this point.

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